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[livejournal.com profile] rykaine asked "Is it more correct to use " 'til" or "till" in place of "until"?"

With examples from Babylon 5.

According to a variety of sources, including Dictionary.com, till is not actually a derivative of until at all. In fact, till and until can be used interchangeably, while 'til is actually considered a spelling error, despite its common usage in the advertising industry and old poetry.

Incorrect
Susan stared at the clock and repeatedly muttered, "I will stay 'til my shift is over before I go kill Garibaldi."

Correct
Susan glared back at Elizabeth Lochley. "You will not dock your ship, Commander, till I say it's time for you to do so. Babylon 5 out."

Most style guides will stress using until in the written form, barring specific instances of phrasing, like the examples below.
Interestingly enough, according to this article over at Motivated Grammar, the word till may actually be older than until. This means that until is a derivative of till, and 'til is still an incorrectly spelled derivative of until. Bearing this in mind, it's a matter of your location as to which you use in place of until. The examples listed in this article show that till is more commonly used in Scotland, while the incorrect 'til is more commonly used in the United States.

Within this article over at English Language & Usage, there's a discussion in the comments about the differences in using till (continuous actions) and until (perfective), but it still states that 'til is incorrect and should be avoided.


What this all boils down to is that you should use till instead of 'til in place of until, unless you're using very specific phrases that already are known to use 'til, like the examples given above.





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13/12/11 19:34 (UTC)
[identity profile] xpaperplanex.livejournal.com
That's so helpful, thank you! I've always wondered about that.

14/12/11 03:25 (UTC)
[identity profile] nighean-isis.livejournal.com
Thanks for the info. I've been doing it wrong - it's nice to have it correct in my head. I do a *lot* of beta editing, and, given what I edit, this exact situation will come up at some point.

14/12/11 05:33 (UTC)
[identity profile] skullbash.livejournal.com
Thank you for the post! I was never sure which form was right but now I know. =) Surprisingly, I've even been using the right one. =D

14/12/11 07:27 (UTC)
[identity profile] haldoor.livejournal.com
Thank you - this was something I had issues with, so it's good to have it clarified. ;-)

14/12/11 17:16 (UTC)
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[identity profile] snailbones.livejournal.com


That's one of those things that I'm never entirely sure about, but too darn lazy to figure out *g*

Thank you for giving such a clear answer. Hopefully I'll always get it right in future.

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